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Post by hedgehog17 on Dec 9, 2012 0:24:31 GMT -5
Hello, I recently began to research the possibility to recreating and re-enacting the Korean War with a company (10 guys) from Civil War re-enacting. We have been doing a federal army impression for years and we would like to move to a more modern U.S. impression. We have never done any WWII or Korean impressions so we wanted to consult the pro-boards to ask what the specific uniform and equipment requirments would be to accuratley portray the 1st Provisional Marine Brigade or more specifically, Task Force Kean. I have looked on other WWII group sites, but am not sure what is or is not appropriate for an impression for very early 1950. Any and all help would be greatly appreciated. Also, we found this site that has a 'list' of what we might need for an impression. Is this accurate? Link: www.wwiiimpressions.com/uniforms.html#USMCWWII |
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Post by m1steelpot on Dec 9, 2012 16:28:38 GMT -5
For very early 1950s the Marines would use much of what they did in WWII as Marines usually don't transition very fast. The haversack was now the p41 haversack except with a "roll top" but that won't mean the regular WWII p41 haversack wasn't around. P41 uniform remained the same although you will see the p44 uniform show up for a brief appearance. Army canteen pouches and the cross flap USMC canteen pouches with the drain hole will also appear. Boondockers remained the same but the leggings only stayed briefly for early war. M2 jungle first aid pouch was common and the grenade pouch started to come into use a bit more. Hope this helps.
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Post by hedgehog17 on Dec 9, 2012 18:32:31 GMT -5
Yes, this was very helpful. So for the early impression HBT '41 uniform set or some mixture of the '41 and '44? The haversack information is really quite interesting and will definitly help make the impresison look more authentic.
Would they have head helmet covers on their M-1 helmets?
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Post by m1steelpot on Dec 9, 2012 21:51:53 GMT -5
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Post by hedgehog17 on Dec 9, 2012 23:10:41 GMT -5
Perfect! Thanks for the reference photo's.
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Post by m1steelpot on Dec 9, 2012 23:13:37 GMT -5
The third pic I linked you can also see he is wearing the misquito helmet cover.
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Post by hedgehog17 on Dec 9, 2012 23:27:39 GMT -5
Oh wow, I completely mistook that for a earlier reversible USMC helmet cover. I had read that those were highly disliked by those that used them, and they soon began to be used as helmet covers.
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Post by pop401k on Dec 10, 2012 7:06:03 GMT -5
The dungaree jacket was tucked into the trousers by 1950...I've seen some P-41s with the lower pockets removed.
The leggings w/ankle boots were worn until the late part of 1952.
The Provisional Marines didn't wear helmet covers at the Perimeter, I presume because they were part of an Army formation, but did after being sent north to join the Division.
Also from the photos I recall, they still used the 16" bayonet for approximately the first half of the conflict, but I don't recall seeing any T-shovels, even at Inchon.
The flak jacket was introduced in 1952.
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Post by hedgehog17 on Dec 10, 2012 9:52:14 GMT -5
Ok, so for our impression of early war, no helmet covers. Also, thank you for the information regarding the proper wearing of the p '41 with tucked in tunic. For a later Inchon landing impression, what else would we need?
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Post by pop401k on Dec 10, 2012 19:29:33 GMT -5
A wooden ladder?
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Post by hedgehog17 on Dec 10, 2012 20:37:07 GMT -5
Haha, or as the urban youth of today say, LoL  . As far as weapons, what I have researched and seen in pictures, the Garand, M1 and M2 Carbines would be the norm as well as the 1919a3-4 machine gun. |
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Post by m1steelpot on Dec 10, 2012 20:55:53 GMT -5
M1 carbines with or with out bayonets even m2s, M1 garands, less Thompsons as grease guns became more prevalent than the Thompson, occasional water jacketed m1919s here and there. Good call on the p41 tuck ins Pop. Poncho or shelter half on the p41 pack could be a nice touch.
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Post by hedgehog17 on Dec 10, 2012 23:49:55 GMT -5
As far as the poncho's would we want
a plane solid green----http://onlinemilitaria.net/old/pic/US_Rubberized_Poncho.jpg
or camo----http://onlinemilitaria.net/old/pic/USMC_Camouflage_Poncho_(Original).jpg
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Post by m1steelpot on Dec 11, 2012 19:43:23 GMT -5
Camo poncho is your best bet.
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Post by m1steelpot on Dec 13, 2012 21:39:27 GMT -5
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Post by pop401k on Dec 20, 2012 21:37:22 GMT -5
One thing just occured to me... you might want to get a khaki wool shirt to go with your Inchon impression and after.
IIRC the landing was mid-Sept. and it starts to get chilly along about that time of year. In winter, they were supposed to issue the forest green wool shirt, but that was hit/miss IIRC...
Later in the war, they sarted issuing the "Army" heavy wool shirt to all forces, like the fishtail parkas: a standardization of equipment.
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Post by hedgehog17 on Dec 22, 2012 1:17:48 GMT -5
Thats very interesting, thank you for your expertise and advise. Would this be like the marine dress woll shirt or a different one?
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Post by pop401k on Dec 30, 2012 9:43:12 GMT -5
Yes, their dress shirt. You can find the forest green shirts evry once in a while.
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Post by topsarge on Sept 2, 2018 7:47:17 GMT -5
You might also find some 03's in the mix.
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Post by icemandavies on May 21, 2021 12:41:00 GMT -5
trying to get some activity on the board so I thought I'd throw in my 2 cents, the list from WW2 impressions is accurate for a early war impression, think inchon, pusan and seoul ( obviously it does lack some transitional items ) For later war, you'll need a few items that aren't mentioned, which include a packboard, M1952 fragmentation vest and the M1951 combat boots, I think the last 2 items alone are why nobody is really into USMC Korean war reenanacting as both those items are extremely hard to find.
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. As far as weapons, what I have researched and seen in pictures, the Garand, M1 and M2 Carbines would be the norm as well as the 1919a3-4 machine gun.