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Post by m1steelpot on Aug 19, 2010 22:13:30 GMT -5
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Post by Mighty Mouse on Aug 19, 2010 22:37:39 GMT -5
I would guess that they're 1st pattern HBT jackets, probably old stock provided to the ROK from storage in Japan. 1st pattern HBTs were used in Korea, albeit in small numbers.
- MM
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Post by m1steelpot on Aug 19, 2010 22:49:16 GMT -5
Ya it also looks like a mix too. you can see the first guy on the left has bigger chest pockets 2nd pattern and the guy next to him has 1st with the smaller pockets. Although it doesn't have the pleated pockets. could also be the post war hbt jacket that you see with pockets edited to be smaller.
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Post by Mighty Mouse on Aug 20, 2010 0:56:13 GMT -5
Re: post war HBT jackets - I thought of that, too, but then I reasoned that the newer stuff would have gone to US troops. Of course, I don't know the photo's date, so that's a factor as well. I'm thinking it was early war, but it could be later.
- MM
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Post by pop401k on Aug 21, 2010 15:32:12 GMT -5
I would guess that they're 1st pattern HBT jackets, probably old stock provided to the ROK from storage in Japan. 1st pattern HBTs were used in Korea, albeit in small numbers. - MM I think I agree...althought the 2nd guy in line looks to have pleats (or maybe it just appears that way). I also noted that the pic was taken in 1960...plenty of time to have the color fade after 1000 washes. Looks like they've "patched" the elbows on most of them. |
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Post by m1steelpot on Aug 21, 2010 19:10:03 GMT -5
Here's another photo of the jacket koreanhistory.info/KoreanWar.htm . Ya that one may be vietnam since i remember seeing that one. mixed up  EDIT: scroll down to the 19th photo. you'll see it. |
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Post by pop401k on Aug 21, 2010 20:59:39 GMT -5
Now that one looks wartime for sure, but his uniform appears to me anyway, to be the Suntans or summer khaki uniform... notice the flaps on the shirt(with flat "patch" pocket) and the "dress pants" style slit pocket on the trousers.
That's what it looks like to me anyhow.
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Post by m1steelpot on Aug 21, 2010 21:08:48 GMT -5
Ya that one definitely does. Although I find it weird that they would wear a summer khaki shirt for combat.
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Post by pop401k on Aug 21, 2010 22:06:16 GMT -5
From what I've read, the South Koreans were REALLY deprived of all sorts of equipment, prior to the start of hostilities.
My impression is that you could quite conceivably find a mix of Japanese and US helmets in the same unit for example. Likewise, their complete uniform issue MIGHT have been one pair of shoes and 2 sets of khakis... no "combat" uniform at all. It's not like today where outfit the whole (Iraqi) force before we start training them.
IIRC there weren't even enough rifles to go round, and the korean soldiers attached to the US Army (after fighting started) didn't have uniforms at all...it was up to us to kit them out.
At the time, we really didn't even think about Korea as our responsibility. A rag-tag, token force, supported by several dozen US advisors.
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Post by m1steelpot on Aug 21, 2010 22:17:04 GMT -5
ya thats why they used japanese weapons left over from occupation in the beginning.
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Post by Mighty Mouse on Aug 22, 2010 10:17:14 GMT -5
I would guess that they're 1st pattern HBT jackets, probably old stock provided to the ROK from storage in Japan. 1st pattern HBTs were used in Korea, albeit in small numbers. - MM I think I agree...althought the 2nd guy in line looks to have pleats (or maybe it just appears that way). I also noted that the pic was taken in 1960...plenty of time to have the color fade after 1000 washes. Looks like they've "patched" the elbows on most of them. If that photo was taken in 1960, then the discussion is moot. Given that hostilities ceased in 1953, seven years is more than enough time for South Korea to come up with its own uniform pattern. It could be anything. It also makes the photo useless in preparing your kit because you can't tell what was used during the war versus what is wartime. There's a difference. - MM |
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Post by Mighty Mouse on Aug 22, 2010 10:24:38 GMT -5
Ya that one definitely does. Although I find it weird that they would wear a summer khaki shirt for combat. Are you referring to the photo of the ROK soldier underneath the painting of Kim Il sung? That's not a US summer khaki shirt. If you look at the photo closely - I copied it and zoomed in - neither the pockets, buttons, nor the seam stitching is consistent with anything the US used at that time. It is possible that it's a pea-green or khaki shirt of a ROK design, but the only things that appear to be American in that photo are the cartridge belt and canteen kit. I can't even tell if the rifle is American. - MM |
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