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Post by btswanfury on Dec 7, 2009 19:59:23 GMT -5
8mmzzs,
I agree with your assessment. However, actual Chinese copies of Mauser rifles are extremely hard to find, and I'm not sure I'd trust one not to explode in my face. Basically, the Chinese started importing and then copying Mausers very early on. Here are the equivalents:
Gew 88: Hanyang Type 88
Gew 98: Chiang Kai-Shek Rifle
K98: Chiang Kai-Shek Short Rifle
As such, I'd say Gew 88, Gew 98s, and K98s are all good for Chinese units. I actually read an article not too long ago (and stupidly forgot to note it down/photocopy it) on Chinese Mausers.
Believe it or not, the Chinese were really into pirating brand names even back then, as lots of Chinese-made Mausers were produced with FAKE German markings in order to increase the resale value (ie. make them look like higher-quality European Mausers and not Chinese knock-offs).
Food for thought!
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Post by lonestarcommie on Dec 10, 2009 14:53:44 GMT -5
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Post by pop401k on Dec 11, 2009 1:51:07 GMT -5
Semi-auto PpsH-41 is now available through DIVA Arsenal. Cost is right around $1,000 (for you affluent CCF types) and seems to function pretty much without flaws... Check out the youtube clip: www.youtube.com/watch?v=hTA3nZG6u0AThere was one listed on Gunbroker.com Now, from a discussion on the WW2 board, the DIVA weapons are better quality that any of the others on the market, at least that was the general consensus.
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Post by btswanfury on Dec 11, 2009 19:43:57 GMT -5
Yeah, but you still gotta SBR it. I'd rather just get a PPS-43 with the stock pinned down pistol-style and avoid the hassle.
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Post by pop401k on Dec 12, 2009 2:20:35 GMT -5
Sorry... I'm not familiar with the definition of "SBR" although I've seen it used before.
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Post by btswanfury on Dec 12, 2009 16:22:53 GMT -5
SBR= Short Barrel Rifle. Anything with a stock and a barrel length of under 16 inches has to be registered with the ATF, and costs $200. It's not hard to do, just a pain in the ass.
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Post by 8mmzzs on Dec 13, 2009 0:58:44 GMT -5
8mmzzs, I agree with your assessment. However, actual Chinese copies of Mauser rifles are extremely hard to find, and I'm not sure I'd trust one not to explode in my face. Basically, the Chinese started importing and then copying Mausers very early on. Here are the equivalents: Gew 88: Hanyang Type 88 Gew 98: Chiang Kai-Shek Rifle K98: Chiang Kai-Shek Short Rifle As such, I'd say Gew 88, Gew 98s, and K98s are all good for Chinese units. I actually read an article not too long ago (and stupidly forgot to note it down/photocopy it) on Chinese Mausers. Believe it or not, the Chinese were really into pirating brand names even back then, as lots of Chinese-made Mausers were produced with FAKE German markings in order to increase the resale value (ie. make them look like higher-quality European Mausers and not Chinese knock-offs). Food for thought! True, the rifles may not be safe for firing. I am not sure if the pressure of blanks are on par with real rounds? I think Omega Firearms in Arizona has some for sale? Last I checked (2 years ago) he has some for sale at about $100, but these are the poor quality ones. I am not sure which CKS model is the long one... is it the M1907 copy? Yep, I have seen a few FN Mausers with fake logos Maybe thats how the pirating got started... fake guns! I think this should make a good Korean War rifle. www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=149844694
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Post by cgall10 on Dec 27, 2009 22:58:25 GMT -5
Hi my name is Colin and i'm new to the group. (I'm friends with mark) I have the following weapons and am wondering which one to bring to the event in feb.
No. 4 Mk 1 Mosin Carbine Sks
I would prefer to use the sks or mosin because the mosin blanks are $15 for 100 or the Sks because of firepower i can use the enfield but at $45 for 100 blanks it's kind of expensive
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Post by lonestarcommie on Dec 28, 2009 15:21:43 GMT -5
I guess the big question is, would China have been issued the SKS by 1950? That's still pretty early on in the conflict, and I'm not sure if the Soviets would have been exporting their newest toy to other countries that early on... that being said, the Mosin carbine I would think would make a perfect choice, as there is plenty of photographic evidence of their use. Plus, you're right, the blanks are very cheap! You can blow through a ton without breaking the bank.
For more firepower, I recommend Military Gun Supply's semi auto PPS-43. I've had one for 2 years now, and I love it. The folding stock is welded closed on the receiver so that it is considered a pistol instead of a short barreled rifle (which needs a special tax stamp). It also doesn't have the extended barrel like the new PPSHs that are being sold, so it looks correct. Compact, light, and all the kinks have been worked out of it since it first came out. Mine works great, and about a year ago when it needed to be repaired, I sent it in and they fixed the problem, updated some of the parts, and shipped it back free of charge. Good customer service! Obviously it is more expensive than a Mosin Carbine, but it is cheaper than a Garand, M1 Carbine, SKS, or AK 47 would be, so not that bad.
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Post by btswanfury on Dec 31, 2009 13:06:43 GMT -5
Yeah, while there MAY have been SKSs in Korea, they would have been rare, and probabl amlost certainly used by the North Koreans rather than the Chinese, who were largely fighting with what they'd managed to capture from the Japanese and the Nationalists (who were using a mix of lend-lease, domestically produced weapons, and stuff imported from Europe in the 20s ad 30s). Not only that, but SKSs are a pain in the butt to blank adapt. So, if I were you, I'd just bring either the Mosin or SMLE. Personally, both are nice. The event is early war, so lend-lease gear, incuding SMLEs, are apropriate (perhaps even more so than Mosins). However, on the other hand, Mosin ammo is cheap and certainly you wont be the only one with a Mosin. So your call.
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Post by cgall10 on Jan 9, 2010 23:33:50 GMT -5
thanks guys i think i'm going to go with the mosin. Can't wait to meet you guys in feb until then
Colin
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Post by kampfer on Jan 20, 2010 1:17:49 GMT -5
What Chinese Communists force used During Korean War was mostly Hanyang, Chiang Kai-shek rifle, captured Japanese Type 38 & piles of different guns left over from World War II & Civil war
Very few Russian-made weapons.
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Post by hqcdr on Jan 27, 2010 7:55:59 GMT -5
What Chinese Communists force used During Korean War was mostly Hanyang, Chiang Kai-shek rifle, captured Japanese Type 38 & piles of different guns left over from World War II & Civil war Very few Russian-made weapons. Guys, Kampfer is right. Here is my two cents on the topic: Best choice weapons: Chiang kai-shek, Vz24, Mauser Standard Modell, and Kar98K. Various short bayonets are ok, but what you really want is the FN1924 export long bayonet. Chinese love long bayonets. Turn down bolts are fine, although straight bolt rifles are more common. Even German Waffenamt marked rifles had turned up in post war China. Good choices: Type 38 is as common as the above rifles, but 6.5mm blank will be a bitch. The IJA kept most of Type 38 for China, and Type 99 for other theaters, although this is not a hard rule. It make sense logistic wise. So I am not sure how common was Type 99 in Korea, although I certainely wouldn't say it is wrong. Type 38 rifle was also produced in China even before the war. Hangyang is the work horse of the Chinese military from 1890s to 1945. However, with a mannlicher magazine, it wouldn't be my top choice. OK, I guess: Gew 88s and Gew 98s were common in WW2, but I am not sure how many, if any, made it to Korea. I guess they are ok. M1 carbines were common. Believe it or not, Thompsons are often used as squad automatic weapon due to shortage of ZB26 LMG and Type 24 HMG (Chinese modified version of MG8). Bad choice: M1 rifle. Yeah, they can pick them up from GIs, like the Germans or Japanese in WW2. M1 rifle was not issued to Nationalist Chinese Army until they retreated to Taiwan! My Dad was drafted in 1960s. They were still using Type 38s to fill the shortage of M1s in his platoon! (yes, they had both rifles in his platoon). The standard US rifle issued to American equipped KMT units is the M1917 Enfield. Not sure how many made it to Korea, but it would be a much better choice. Some M1903 Springfield also went to China in WW2, but nowhere as much as M1917. Mosin Nagant rifles were supplied to China before the pre-WW2 KMT-CCP split in the 1920s. None were supplied during WW2, although some old rifles were used. So this made Mosin Nagant a plausible but poor choice. Enfields are also extremely poor choice. Very few were supplied to Chinese Expeditionary Army in Burma during WW2. They were used more in training. Yeah, they did turned up during the civil war too, but they are less common than the other rifles. The bottom line is yes, the Chinese used many types of rifles. However, you won't find a company going into combat with 10 types of rifles with 4 different ammos. One should protray the common rather than the exception. Chinese rifles may be hard to find, but they are inexpensive. I paid $60 for my CKS rifle. If you need one in a hurry, I would go with a Vz24. If you already reenact German, just start with you 98k. I hope this helps.
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Post by hqcdr on Jan 27, 2010 8:00:43 GMT -5
Pop: Great! All of those would be fine. The Chinese captured Garands, but they also MADE Springfields and Mausers. Woodard has a Chinese Springfield (or, more correctly, an American Springfield with Chinese furniture). It's the most ghetto-fabulous thing in the world. The Chinese NEVER made Springfield or M1917 Enfields. Does your stock marking have an oval about two inches wide with Chinese writings? It could be Chicom militia (like our militia, not the Soviet police militia) marking.
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Post by story on Dec 18, 2010 2:52:56 GMT -5
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Post by brigadepiron on Dec 19, 2010 10:11:17 GMT -5
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Post by pop401k on Jan 17, 2011 0:37:40 GMT -5
Sorry for the long delay...I'm in Thailand now and not much access...It's Chinese (a Mauser)
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Post by redbanner on Dec 2, 2012 12:32:02 GMT -5
I have one of the PPS 43, from MGS, took the time to get my SBR permit too, barrel cut too correct length? Correct Bakelite grips, nice weapon!!!
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Post by pop401k on Jan 7, 2014 5:20:07 GMT -5
Would there be any interest in wooden stick grenades? Hoping to keep the price down to a "semi-throw-away" level; you won't spend hours looking for it, if it gets lost.
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